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The original english language interview is also available.
Die Ereignisse auf dieser nächtlichen Busstation wirken sehr authentisch. Wie kam es zu der Geschichte?
Ich habe mich schon immer dazu hingezogen gefühlt, Gefühle von Einsamkeit und Melancholie darzustellen. Ich habe diese Gefühle oft in verschiedenen Formen erlebt, wenn ich spät nachts von einer Stadt in eine andere reiste. Da ich in der Vergangenheit in verschiedenen Städten gelebt habe (Genf, Lausanne, Brüssel, London), war der Busbahnhof ein Ort, an dem ich viele Male war. Ich hatte das Gefühl, dass man dort die Zyklen der Pendler beobachten und die Einsamkeit der Reisenden darstellen kann, die auf einen Bus warten, der vielleicht nie ankommt. Zusammen mit Vladimir (Drehbuchautor) beschlossen wir, eine Nacht in der Victoria Coach Station zu verbringen. Nicht um zu reisen, sondern nur um Reisende zu beobachten. Wir steckten knietief in dieser Melancholie, konnten aber auch spüren, dass sich hinter den schmutzigen, traurigen Wänden des Bahnhofs eine Schönheit verbarg. Etwas, das sich nur dann offenbaren würde, wenn man der Hektik des Alltags entkommen konnte. Wir haben Fotos gemacht, Zeichnungen angefertigt und Geräusche aufgenommen. Die meisten Figuren sind direkt von unserer Nacht auf dem Busbahnhof inspiriert, und ich habe versucht, die Details in Bezug auf die Charakterisierung und die Emotionen zu berücksichtigen, auch wenn sie recht subtil sein können.
Warum spielen Tauben so eine wichtige Rolle?
In welchem Rahmen, über welche Zeit und mit welcher Teamstärke konntest Du Deinen Film realisieren?
Kannst Du mir mehr zu Deinem Stil erzählen?
Ich habe gesehen, dass Du auch schon andere Formen von Animationen ausprobiert hast. Hast Du schon die eine bestimmte Art gefunden, in der Du am liebsten Deine Filme erzählst?
Mir gefällt die Idee, dass jeder Film seine eigene Technik hat, und das Experimentieren mit dem Material ist für mich Teil des Filmemachens. Obwohl ich es mag, Techniken zu mischen und 2D-Charaktere in einer 3D-Welt zu haben, werde ich das vielleicht nicht für meinen nächsten Film wieder verwenden!
Kannst Du mir noch ein bisschen mehr von Dir erzählen und wie Du zum Film gekommen bist?
Sind bereits neue Projekte geplant?
Die Fragen stellte Doreen Kaltenecker
Übersetzung von Michael Kaltenecker
Lies auch die Rezension des Kurzfilms „Do Not Feed The Pigeons“
Interview: In our conversation with Swiss director Antonin Niclass, we were able to learn more about his short film “Do Not Feed The Pigeons“, which screened in the International Competition at the 38th Interfilm Berlin 2022, about the melancholy of a bus station at night, the mix of 2D and 3D animation and why pigeons play such a big role.
The events at that night bus station seem authentic. How did the story come about?
I have always been drawn towards portraying feelings of loneliness and melancholy. I would often witness these feelings in many forms whenever I traveled late at night from one city to another. Having lived in different cities in the past (Geneva, Lausanne, Brussels, London), the coach station was a place I experienced many times. I felt it was full of potential to observe the cycles of commuters taking place there, and depict the loneliness of travelers waiting for a coach that may never arrive. With Vladimir (screenwriter), we decided to spend one night in Victoria Coach Station. Not to travel but only to observe travelers. We were knee deep into this melancholy, but could also feel that a beauty was hidden beneath the dirty sad walls of the station. Something that would reveal itself only if you managed to escape the rush of everyday life. We took pictures, made drawings, recorded sounds. Most of the characters are directly inspired by our night at the coach station and I tried to care about the details in terms of characterisation and emotions even though they can be quite subtle.
Why do the pigeons play such an important role?
From the start, we wanted a parallel with the animal world. We liked the idea of going from small to big and how these comparisons could help us change perspective about ourselves. When we chose the coach station as a location for our film, we were amused by seeing ‘Do not to feed the pigeons’ signs everywhere. These pigeons, usually considered as disgusting flying rats, may in fact be the ones who could teach us something here. We wanted to portray the pigeons as the lords of this microcosm.
In what framework, over what time and with what team size were you able to realize your film?
We spent the first scouting nights in Victoria Coach Station in January 2020 and we finished the film in March 2021, so it took a bit more than a year. I think we built the set at the end of May, started shooting in July and continued animating almost until February 2021. We were then editing, mixing and composing at the same time. We were supposed to finish it in January but we got a bit delayed by two lockdowns and crew members across the world. It’s a big crew (more than 40) but they were not necessarily working at the same time.
Can you tell me more about your style?
Being originally a stop frame animator, I discovered 2D animation during my curriculum at the National Film and Television School and enjoyed drawing a lot, even though I didn’t have much experience with it. My drawings were quite rough but I found it very exciting and challenging to bring these techniques together : mixing the volumes of a stop-motion set with the flatness of drawn characters. I experimented a lot, trying to find the right material and texture to do so. We created the station bearing in mind that everything could be made of trash found in a coach station. Our production designer used recycled plastic to create parts of the set and we thought we would do the same for our characters. We settled for some kind of aluminum foil covered with canvas to bring these flat yet very textured characters to life. The challenge was then to define how 2D puppets would move and behave in a 3D space and the constant need to find a solution kept the creativity going until the end!
I saw you already tried out other forms of animation. Have you already found the one particular style in which you prefer to tell your films?
I like the idea that every film has its own technique and experimenting with material is part of the filmmaking process for me. Although I quite like mixing techniques and having 2D characters in a 3D world, I might not use it again for my next film!
Can you tell me a bit more about yourself and how you got into film?
Of course, so… I was born in Geneva. I started out playing with stories when my neighbor back then received the Lego Studio. It was a partnership between Lego and Steven Spielberg where you would get a small webcam and printed set design to make short films with toys. When I was 18, I started working as a camera assistant in Switzerland. It allowed him to learn a lot on cameras, lenses and lights (which became very useful afterwards as an animator because you don’t always have a DOP on set with you). I decided to move to Belgium to study filmmaking and learned to work as a Director with large crews on fiction, television and radio projects. Besides my studies, I produced numerous animation videos for Tataki, the digital branch of Swiss Television for young adults. I learned a lot by working with many animators, mixing various forms and techniques and this allowed me to create a portfolio interesting enough to enter my dream school in the UK. I joined the National Film & Television School in 2019 and learned a lot from being surrounded by talented 2D and stop motion animators.
Are there any new projects planned?
Yes! We released our last VR piece “Midnight Story”, adapted from “Do Not Feed The Pigeons“. We got some funding to create a version of the film in virtual reality and I got really excited by the idea to get the viewer to experience our coach station from the inside. It took quite a while to find our way around this new medium but I liked that the flatness of the characters could still take place in a virtual 3D set. We repurposed the characters for the VR version and we found how to drive the viewer’s eyes into the narrative without the traditional editing tool. I wanted the story to be flowing without ‘cuts’ so we had to find the way to bring the focus from one character to the next using space, sounds, light and… pigeons of course! I learned a lot from it and was excited to work again with the same team from school but on a more professional level this time. Now it’s time to go back to writing again.
Questions asked by Doreen Kaltenecker
Read on the german review of the short film “Do Not Feed The Pigeons“